Subject: How Long Do We Have?

This has been around for a while but since the election it has even more meaning. It is so true and indicates that our country is on the brink of losing the democracy that we have enjoyed for 232 years--being the longest-surviving in history.

Now, we stand a chance of losing it.

HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?

This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.

I have always heard about the democracy countdown. It is interesting to see it in print.

God help us, not that we deserve it.

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government." "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." "From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship." "

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years." "

During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage." Professor Joseph Olson of Hemliner University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 presidential election:

Number of states won by Democrats: 19 -- Republicans: 29

Square miles of land won by Democrats: 580,000 -- Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by Democrats: 127 million -- Republicans: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by Democrats: 13.2 - Republicans: 2.1 "

In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican-won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.

Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare . . . "

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the U.S.A. in fewer than five years.

Unknown Author

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More on Urban Legends

In the late 1960’s and early 70’s at the height of leftist student campus rebellions, the following quote was widely circulated in the left wing publications and even was on posters that adorned dormitory walls: “The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting.

Communists are seeking to destroy our country…..And the republic is in danger. Yes! Danger from within and without.

We need law and order!

Without law and order our nation cannot survive.” –Adolph Hitler, 1932.

This quote must have sounded very ominous to those students. The fact is, Hitler did not say it.

It was the urban legend of the time, a time the Internet did not exist.

One must do his research.

No political ideology has a monopoly on the truth. There are those that will resort to lies and half-truths to put forward their beliefs, even if those beliefs are correct.

The authors of these messages knew full well what they were doing, but those that distributed those messages were true believers that did not question anything that supported their views or agendas.

Again, one must check his sources.

Incidentally, this bogus quote has found new life in other parts of the world. It can be found on this web site,: People's Democracy (Weekly Organ of the Communist Party of India (Marxist).

For some reason it is included in their rant against “liberals”.

Edward Port's "More on Urban Legends and The Doomsday List"

Edward Port's "More on Urban Legends and The Doomsday List" is an excellent pair of comments that covers a lot of territory with education rather than name calling.

Most failures are not democracies as democracies are not the normal government of the world.

He points out this point and he also points out that women fought much longer to be equal than any of the others who is or was seeking rights. This seems a little strange as everybody has a mother; even congressmen and presidents.

John R. Stanczak

The Doomsday List

While it is true, the nation we call the United States of America came in to existence after the ratification of the Constitution in 1787, it was a budding democracy, a work in progress.

Ever since the United States became independent, people were given the right to vote, but only white land-owners. Back then, slaves had no rights and women simply didn't have the right to vote.

After the Civil War, on December 6, 1865, the thirteenth amendment was ratified and slaves were free and slavery shall not exist in the United States.

Passing of the thirteenth Amendment would lead to the Fourteenth Amendment being ratified three years later on July 9, 1868 saying that all "men" born in the United States and of the State where they live would be a citizen, giving every man, including African American men, citizenship rights.

After this, a year and a half later on February 3, 1870, the fifteenth Amendment was ratified giving every man the right to vote and should not be denied by the United States or by any State because of race, skin color, or previous conditions of servitude.

With this Amendment being passed gave previous slaves and poor whites all the right to vote.

Women didn't get the right to vote until another fifty years later after African Americans and poor whites were given the right.

As far back as 1848, groups of women would join together to discuss how to further women rights.

Susan B. Anthony was one big influence on ending women suffrage and actually tried to vote and was later fined for doing so.

After seventy-two years of trying to get women rights, on August 18, 1920, The Congress ratified the nineteenth Amendment, ending women suffrage "The Voting Rights Act" signed into law on August 6, 1965, by President Lyndon Johnson, outlawed the discriminatory voting practices adopted in many southern states after the Civil War, including literacy tests as a prerequisite to voting.

In 1971, 1818--20 year olds gained the right to vote with the passage of the 26th amendment to the United States Constitution. Until that time young Americans under 21 years of age fighting in Vietnam and all previous wars had no such right.

Alexander Tyler was fairly close when he state that the great civilizations that followed the fall of the Athenian lasted but 200 years, but nowhere has he stated that these nations were democratic.

If they were democratic, what were their names?

In any event this quote first surfaced around 1950 and returned in 2000. There is no credible evidence that that Mr. Tyler wrote any of it.

It is now considered to be an “urban legend”