Discussion With Frank Gugliotta

I just talked to Frank and he is not going to be available tonight or through the weekend due to being out of town.

We did have a pretty good conversation and here is what was said.

The water dept took out a bond (loan) from a bonding company he said in the 80s and has a 12k monthly payment on it. Five percent interest. It seems it has about 10 years left. I'm not sure if we are in arrears but he says we can't prepay without a penalty. A grant to pay it off would likely involve prepayment penalties. But 5% is not so bad and if we can have enough income I can't see any problem with continuing that. Ragsdale likely will require a standpipe as it doesn't have enough pressure at the fire

 

hydrants. We do have a booster pump but it doesn't solve the problem.

To understand the background information would require a complete written water dept financial statement which we as the public don't have or at least have not been made aware of. To gain support for a rate increase should make this mandatory.

We discussed a possible minimum water and sewage bill for properties that have their water shut off and he (and likely the city) is of the opinion that banks, heirs and investors could not care less what happens to the vacant properties. And wouldn't be likely to pay anything. I reminded him that from my experience with bank owned properties the first thing that is done is to be sure the electricity is on so the sump pump will run and the basement not flood into the furnace and water heater. And that water according to our city is supposed to go to the sewage plant by ordinance. This should not be. Seep (basement) water should find it's way to the storm sewers or ditches. Banks, heirs and investors do care what happens to their properties and likely will pay if forced to. This prod to keep a house occupied really should be used. I suggested this four years ago but it was ignored. These buildings if run down and affecting values of surrounding buildings and houses are in violation of a Neighborhood Distressed Properties Act now State Law which allows the city to rehab or maintain and bill the property owner on his tax bills for the work. There are probably other ways to collect too and it seems so much better than allowing something to rot down completely and the only remedy is to demolish it. (At city expense). Likely would help to keep our population up too.

The $750 water tap in fee is to cover costs as we apparently lost a bit doing them for $125. Vincennes is $350. The city is likely wanting to keep the option to veto allowing a trailer in even if Area Planning is willing to issue a permit.

I suspect the big"tap in" fee is part of this thinking.

I might be wrong but I think we gave up that option when we signed on to the County Master Plan of the Area Planning Commission. I think there are investors wanting lots to sit trailers on so this could have big consequences either way. To me we need more people in town to share utilities, pay taxes, use local businesses, send more kids to our schools and possibly become permanent residents.

Frank does care about the community and I think he can be an outstanding councilperson.

Ron Ackman

Comments

What I am reading

I don't know Ron it appears from everything that I am reading that just maybe Frank is falling into lock step with the rest of the spenders at whatever the cost is to the poor people of Bicknell.

Maybe after tonights meeting you can report just how each of them stands on developing Bicknell or how they stand on tearing down Bicknell.

My guess is that tear down will win 5 to 0.

I have no confidence in those elected but I sure hope that I am wrong.

From Jennifer Gordan"s newspaper article it is obvious that Council Francis Carey cares little about Bicknell and is still in the frame of mind of Mary Lou.

You know spend, spend, spend and never think, think, think. 

John R. Stanczak

Ragsdale

Isn't water pressure a direct result of the height of the water tower; it appears that Ragsdale is too far up the hill for their water pressure to be very high.

Is Frank suggesting that Bicknell drill a well for Ragsdale at the expense of Bicknell?

Wouldn't that simply place Ragsdale on a direct pump line instead of a pressure tower?

It seems to me that the county water tower may be the most economical plan as their tower appears to be on higher ground.

Just a thought.

 

John R. Stanczak

What's the deal with

What's the deal with Ragsdale, it has been this way for years and years. Maybe a better booster pump is the answer.

Ragsdale

I believe that Ragsdale must have a tower to regulate water pressure; I would think that a pump would require a pressure tank otherwise the water pressure would require the pump to run continuously.

I guess that this is possible but probably not practical.

 

John R. Stanczak

Does the booster pump they

Does the booster pump they have now run all the time?

Booster pump

I have no idea but I do know that water cannot be compressed and if there is not a method of pressure control a pump will run every time a water faucet is turned on anywhere in Ragsdale or would run all of the time if there are any leaks.

 

John R. Stanczak

Water tower

The suggestion is a tower in the Ragsdale area and I suppose the in line booster pump would fill the tower with the supply lines running from the tower.

I don't know who would pay for it.

I know that Vincennes charges higher water rates for outside their city limits and that might be a possibility.

Ron A

ragsdale

not to be unreal on this issue but who are we to have to play big brother to ragsdale all of a sudden.

after all they vote county and don't pay bicknell taxes right?

so because of their woes and our sewer rates already above some peoples heads.

we will now be over charged for water because ragsdale has issues?

help me out with this because i'm having a real brain rush with this way of thinking. i mean this is great to have all the surrounding whatevers taping in to our water and sewer at the cost [raising rates] of the voters and tax payers of the city of bicknell?

go back in time with me here if you will.

didn't the past administration beg to have surrounding communities get involved in the new sewer project? and were told to go shit in our hats because they know how to get grant money and we still don't. so they decided we [bicknell] would go solo at an overrated cost and premature to boot.

now they want to ALMOST double the water rate onto the people of bicknell to BAIL out surrounding communities?

hasn't this administration taken enough bicknell money and spent it elsewhere.

wasn't the city of bicknell to get a fixed sum from scepter but only recieved one month payment from them to dump here?

do they need me to go over there once a month and strong arm them into paying up in full?

seeing the management team over there gets to eat out everyday at pauls while their employees aren't worthy of a ten minute break in the 150 degree atmosphere in which they slave.

i say if they have been paying, who then if not the city of bicknell is getting that monthly income?

come on people get with it they're out to screw you again.

they don't want to look into other avenues they just want to put it all on you. this is their way of saying thanks for getting them into office.

show them the 12th 7:00 pm at city hall this isn't good enough and your pissed off about it.

don't fall for the dumb asses going around town telling you you're wasting your time because your not.

you can always feel in your heart that you tried and they just didn't listen.

see you'll have somebody else to blame besides yourself for the way you voted.

speak up for yourselves for once because they have 3 1/2 more years to do you wrong.

just some questions and some thoughts about all of this. help us out with true answers only because i'm losing track anymore.

as always signed
john coyle

Who pays

Ragsdale should look for a grant to pay for it or maybe the water department should look for a grant either way it is the only affordable way.

Ron you wrote to me and was concerned whether or not the rate increase was necessary; let me say this for all future reference in Bicknell "less is always more".

Bicknell cannot "under any" and I repeat "under any" circumstances afford to increase the cost to live here.

The sewer rates must be brought down, the water rate must be brought down and the trash pickup rate must be brought down.

Bicknell has a population leak that is flowing to Vincennes and unless it is plugged our city employees, our city government, and our police department will all disappear and at the rate that the Trowbridge administration and so far the Flickinger administration this town will be operating as Freelandville is within 10 or 12 years.

Your property will be worth 50% of its value if it is located nearly anywhere else and soon a lot of property will be owned by lending institutions because people will not be able to live here with our cost of living on top of the new electric bills and the fuel cost to drive to and from work.

To repeat Bicknell cannot afford to raise anything; Bicknell must reduce everything then Bicknell must campaign for new families to be followed by campaigning for new businesses. 

John R. Stanczak